Fisking a Turnip, Part 5: What If THEY Heard The Gospel. Bonus level: Woe’s False Standards.
Fisking Ryan the 3-hour-long anti-Church slander-fest by Ryan Turnipseed, Corey J. Mahler, Woe, and Askeladd continues. We’re up to the thirty-five minute mark and the hits just keep on coming.
Without further delay, college sophomore and repository of great scholarship, Ryan Turnipseed was in the middle of accusing the Large Catechism of…
35:10 RYAN .. normalizing pedophilia. That’s how it’s coming across. And once again you’re not dealing with theologians. You’re not dealing with an academic setting. You are dealing with everyone. A catechism is meant for everyone. If it comes off like that, you need to do heavy contemplation as for what you are talking about. Maybe you are wrong!
Let’s see: What if homosexuals heard me tell the people who have been damning them, hating them, and slandering them that Matthew 7:1-5 applies to us all just the same? What if someone who has been struggling with attractions he hates hears that I think that Jesus can offer him the same love and compassion he applies to you? What if I give the impression that 60 years of blatant church hypocrisy about pornography, no-fault divorce, fornicating before marriage, and a dozen other life-destroying sexual sins is BAD and the church needs to hear Jesus say “repent and believe” in the same way that they did? What if they heard me read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 out loud, or Romans 1 out loud, and in addition to hearing their own sins, they heard every other human sin right next to theirs.
More horrible still… what if they heard God rebuke Christians for attacking them without repenting first, and heard that God was storing up wrath for those hypocrites like Romans 2:1-5 preached? What if the hypocrites heard my warning and once their outrage failed, they, too, started to work on their own sins first so that they could show their neighbor the patience and kindness God used to save their own Pharisaical backsides?
Huh. I’m actually OK with ALL that. I would call every bit of that, Very Good.
35:33 WOE: Just to reiterate Corey’s first point, the language, “Some of us are burdened with pedophilia.” That’s exactly what’s happening in 2023 from Vox and from all of the other extreme leftists. They’re trying to make pedophilia a sexual orientation. That is happening today. It’s happening out in the wild, and for the LCMS to say, “Some of us are burdened with pedophilia”. Burdened by who? Who burdened you to make you a pedophile? It just happened to you, right? You were born that way.
Woe sets up an impossible standard. No one in their right mind would call pedophilia less than a burden. No one would say, “You know, ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to have the most socially abhorred sexual desire in my culture and spend the rest of my life in fear, shame, constantly hearing that I should be murdered, with next to no avenues for help outside of a prison cell. That’s why I asked my 7th grade guidance counselor to program my limbic system to make me a pedophile! This other pedophile I know ordered his maladaptive sexual desires through the mail.”
This is such an utterly loathsome piece of demagoguery. Whether or not someone can say what truly gave rise to any individual’s sexual brokenness, it’s beyond madness to mock the idea of having compassion for someone in such straits. It’s FAR beyond madness to believe anyone could or would ever choose to feel such attractions.
Whether it’s individual sin, the results of sins like childhood abuse, or Satan himself picking people off like a neurological sniper team, it just doesn’t let Woe off of the question:
Is 1 Corinthians 10:13 scripture, or is it not? Is Hebrews 4:14-16 God’s word, or are your teachings? You can’t have them both.
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. — 1 Corinthians 10:13
14 Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
— Hebrews 4:14-16
36:10 WOE: Now as Christians we have to understand that there is a turn towards sin in every man’s heart, but if you try to absolve the pedophile the same way a man who thinks a pretty girl [SIC] and maybe they’re not his wife, you’re going to create Hell on Earth.
Maxim: NOTHING THAT COMES BEFORE THE WORD ‘BUT’ MATTERS.
Woe is openly stating that you can choose his double-standard, or you are creating hell on earth.
But there is one Savior for the heterosexual and the pedophile (1 Tim 2:5). Jesus died on one cross for both (2 Cor 5:14). Salvation comes by grace through faith to both. Both of their sins lead to one lake of fire (Rev 20:15) unless they repent and believe (Mar 1:15). They are both guilty of breaking the SAME commandment: the 6th Commandment. They are both under the sentence of death (1 Cor 6:9-11). They both have one mediator: Jesus Christ. They both receive the same Holy Spirit in their baptism (Eph 4:5). Penitent, believing, they have the same promise that Christ will never leave them or forsake them. They are being built into the same household. Christ has created them both for good works prepared for them beforehand. God keeps the same record of both of their tears. When they both pray the Lord’s Prayer for God’s kingdom to come and God’s will to be done on earth as it is in heaven, that’s one kingdom, one will, and one God for them both.
36:30 WOE: The fact that the Synod did this, that the CTR would have used the word burdened with pedophilia; it’s inexcusable. In no universe can any theologian from any denomination ever speak that way.
Wrong. See above. I just did.
36:43 RYAN: Right. If you showed this to someone a decade ago, “You are burdened with pedophilia”, you would probably yourself be investigated for it. That’s probably what would have happened a decade ago.
Ryan (a sophomore in college studying economics, not history, church history, or theology) presumes, but does not really know anything about what was happening inside the church and its theological structures at a time when he was too young to shave.
I was informed about the actions of the ex-gay movement in the Lutheran church since 1987. By the mid-90's this ministry, led by a retired LCMS pastor, had spread to minister to the sexually broken in six continents. The verbiage faithful Lutheran pastors, counselors, and lay ministers who have been laboring in the fields of sexual brokenness, sexual abuse, and recovery have been using since before Ryan was born is that that Jesus Christ offers hope and freedom to “same-sex-attracted, minor-attracted, and transsexual” individuals. Confessional Lutherans were using this language to offer the Gospel and hope to sinners twenty years before the American liberals absconded with our terms in the same rehtorical pickup truck they used to hijack God’s rainbow. In the fifteen years since the LGBTQaip+~& mafai tried to make the terminology theirs, the same evangelists haven’t seen fit to surrender the terms without a fight. Sorry to break the hate-narrative with truth, but those of us who were around at the time Ryan is making assertions about? We know that Ryan’s suppositions about the past are directly opposite of the truth.
The Eighth Commandment compells me to state that it is entirely possible that Ryan speaks more in ignorance than in bigotry (though the rest of his podcast undermines this generous assumption), but the same prescription would apply to either case: “Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin” — Proverbs 13:3.
Additionally note: None of these men are using, referencing, or pondering the Word of God as they make their slanders, assertions, and pan the waters of the internet for outrage that the grace of God could be applied equally to them and those they hate.